Arguments Against the Red Pill: A Case for Kufr
Arguments Against the Red Pill: A Case for Kufr
HonoredChain23
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Sep 5, 2023
Recently, there's been talks about the red pill and whether it's haram, or even kufr. I'm here to present arguments against it and make a case for why it is kufr. This may come as a shock to some of you here, especially because of my numerous comments and posts in favor of the red pill and defending it, but I ask that you all keep reading until the end.
There are 2 valid arguments against the red pill that I've come up with (and this is only possible by The Will of Allah SWT):
1) The red pill community.
The red pill itself is still haqq. But the red pill community is filled with haram, objectively speaking. The argument for kufr comes in when you recognize that most of these people are kuffar, indulging in sin, and advocate following one's own desires, which is essentially self-worship (and the worshiping of said desires). Moreover, the Prophet SAW said that whoever imitates a people is one of them. The hadith was also classed as sahih by Al Albani, and Sheikh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah RH said about it: "This at the very least indicates that it is haraam to imitate them, although the apparent meaning is that the one who imitates them is a kaafir." (Iqtida’ al-Siraat al-Mustaqeem, 237). So while zina standalone isn't kufr, why would you want companionship with such people?
From an Islamic standpoint, it's just not a good environment to be in, and especially not anymore. It's one of the reasons why I've distanced myself from the red pill as a whole even though I still subscribe to the red pill itself: The knowledge is true, but its usage is haram, and the people are disbelief. Plus, the red pill community has been declining for a while now, and especially since going mainstream. I don't just mean the quality has waned, but the community itself just feels more decadent and sickening. I've been feeling off about it for the past year and a half or so despite my writings about it, so I guess it's just my fitra longing for Allah SWT.
Note: I am not saying that using the knowledge & wisdom of the red pill is haram in and of itself, as it's still ultimately how you use it. I'm simply referring to its usage within the red pill community.
2) Evolutionary biology.
The red pill uses a lot of evolutionary biology to explain things. Some people consider this kufr because they consider evolution to be kufr. I personally don't subscribe to that part of the red pill because, much like evolution, a lot of it is contradictory, filled with ad-hoc rationalizations, and/or outright false, but to each their own.
So now that I've explained these 2 valid points, let me explain why that doesn't mean the red pill is kufr:
The first point is an attack against the community and how they use the red pill. It's not an attack against the red pill itself lol. If we're being honest here, most criticisms of the red pill are really just criticisms of the red pill community. If you isolate the knowledge & wisdom from the community and don't associate with their fisq & kufr, it's not kufr. Like I said, the knowledge itself is still true. It's simply how you use it. Taking the good and leaving the bad very much applies here.
The second point is simply how community "members", if you can call them that, seek to explain why the red pill is true. However, the knowledge itself is still true regardless of the explanation lol. That means that whether evolution is true or not, the information is still correct. Moreover, evolution isn't necessarily against Islam either. I don't even believe in evolution myself and I recognize that it can (technically) still coexist with Islam lol.
Before any of you comment and argue with me again, here is a complete refutation to the notion that the red pill is haram. I was honestly thinking of reposting it with a new title lol but Alhamdulillahi Rab al'alameen this is better. Please give it a read. I guarantee that it refutes every argument any of you are thinking of right now.
But that aside, take this as a warning of caution regarding red pill content. This is the "big brother"/fatherly mentor young men needed but may not have had, so while it fills that vital role we as men need regarding how to actually be a man, it still is a social role. You don't want to be swept away with the crowd.
All things are from Allah SWT. Praise Him and glorify Him and exalt Him and worship Him As One, Alone, without partners, free from all association. I testify that there is no god but Allah, that none is worthy of worship except Him, and I testify that Muhammad SAW is the servant, slave, worshiper, and messenger of Allah. Seek help and guidance from your Master and my Master—Allah.
Recently, there's been talks about the red pill and whether it's haram, or even kufr. I'm here to present arguments against it and make a case for why it is kufr. This may come as a shock to some of you here, especially because of my numerous comments and posts in favor of the red pill and defending it, but I ask that you all keep reading until the end.
There are 2 valid arguments against the red pill that I've come up with (and this is only possible by The Will of Allah SWT):
1) The red pill community.
The red pill itself is still haqq. But the red pill community is filled with haram, objectively speaking. The argument for kufr comes in when you recognize that most of these people are kuffar, indulging in sin, and advocate following one's own desires, which is essentially self-worship (and the worshiping of said desires). Moreover, the Prophet SAW said that whoever imitates a people is one of them. The hadith was also classed as sahih by Al Albani, and Sheikh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah RH said about it: "This at the very least indicates that it is haraam to imitate them, although the apparent meaning is that the one who imitates them is a kaafir." (Iqtida’ al-Siraat al-Mustaqeem, 237). So while zina standalone isn't kufr, why would you want companionship with such people?
From an Islamic standpoint, it's just not a good environment to be in, and especially not anymore. It's one of the reasons why I've distanced myself from the red pill as a whole even though I still subscribe to the red pill itself: The knowledge is true, but its usage is haram, and the people are disbelief. Plus, the red pill community has been declining for a while now, and especially since going mainstream. I don't just mean the quality has waned, but the community itself just feels more decadent and sickening. I've been feeling off about it for the past year and a half or so despite my writings about it, so I guess it's just my fitra longing for Allah SWT.
Note: I am not saying that using the knowledge & wisdom of the red pill is haram in and of itself, as it's still ultimately how you use it. I'm simply referring to its usage within the red pill community.
2) Evolutionary biology.
The red pill uses a lot of evolutionary biology to explain things. Some people consider this kufr because they consider evolution to be kufr. I personally don't subscribe to that part of the red pill because, much like evolution, a lot of it is contradictory, filled with ad-hoc rationalizations, and/or outright false, but to each their own.
So now that I've explained these 2 valid points, let me explain why that doesn't mean the red pill is kufr:
The first point is an attack against the community and how they use the red pill. It's not an attack against the red pill itself lol. If we're being honest here, most criticisms of the red pill are really just criticisms of the red pill community. If you isolate the knowledge & wisdom from the community and don't associate with their fisq & kufr, it's not kufr. Like I said, the knowledge itself is still true. It's simply how you use it. Taking the good and leaving the bad very much applies here.
The second point is simply how community "members", if you can call them that, seek to explain why the red pill is true. However, the knowledge itself is still true regardless of the explanation lol. That means that whether evolution is true or not, the information is still correct. Moreover, evolution isn't necessarily against Islam either. I don't even believe in evolution myself and I recognize that it can (technically) still coexist with Islam lol.
Before any of you comment and argue with me again, here is a complete refutation to the notion that the red pill is haram. I was honestly thinking of reposting it with a new title lol but Alhamdulillahi Rab al'alameen this is better. Please give it a read. I guarantee that it refutes every argument any of you are thinking of right now.
But that aside, take this as a warning of caution regarding red pill content. This is the "big brother"/fatherly mentor young men needed but may not have had, so while it fills that vital role we as men need regarding how to actually be a man, it still is a social role. You don't want to be swept away with the crowd.
All things are from Allah SWT. Praise Him and glorify Him and exalt Him and worship Him As One, Alone, without partners, free from all association. I testify that there is no god but Allah, that none is worthy of worship except Him, and I testify that Muhammad SAW is the servant, slave, worshiper, and messenger of Allah. Seek help and guidance from your Master and my Master—Allah.
Recently, there's been talks about the red pill and whether it's haram, or even kufr. I'm here to present arguments against it and make a case for why it is kufr. This may come as a shock to some of you here, especially because of my numerous comments and posts in favor of the red pill and defending it, but I ask that you all keep reading until the end.
There are 2 valid arguments against the red pill that I've come up with (and this is only possible by The Will of Allah SWT):
1) The red pill community.
The red pill itself is still haqq. But the red pill community is filled with haram, objectively speaking. The argument for kufr comes in when you recognize that most of these people are kuffar, indulging in sin, and advocate following one's own desires, which is essentially self-worship (and the worshiping of said desires). Moreover, the Prophet SAW said that whoever imitates a people is one of them. The hadith was also classed as sahih by Al Albani, and Sheikh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah RH said about it: "This at the very least indicates that it is haraam to imitate them, although the apparent meaning is that the one who imitates them is a kaafir." (Iqtida’ al-Siraat al-Mustaqeem, 237). So while zina standalone isn't kufr, why would you want companionship with such people?
From an Islamic standpoint, it's just not a good environment to be in, and especially not anymore. It's one of the reasons why I've distanced myself from the red pill as a whole even though I still subscribe to the red pill itself: The knowledge is true, but its usage is haram, and the people are disbelief. Plus, the red pill community has been declining for a while now, and especially since going mainstream. I don't just mean the quality has waned, but the community itself just feels more decadent and sickening. I've been feeling off about it for the past year and a half or so despite my writings about it, so I guess it's just my fitra longing for Allah SWT.
Note: I am not saying that using the knowledge & wisdom of the red pill is haram in and of itself, as it's still ultimately how you use it. I'm simply referring to its usage within the red pill community.
2) Evolutionary biology.
The red pill uses a lot of evolutionary biology to explain things. Some people consider this kufr because they consider evolution to be kufr. I personally don't subscribe to that part of the red pill because, much like evolution, a lot of it is contradictory, filled with ad-hoc rationalizations, and/or outright false, but to each their own.
So now that I've explained these 2 valid points, let me explain why that doesn't mean the red pill is kufr:
The first point is an attack against the community and how they use the red pill. It's not an attack against the red pill itself lol. If we're being honest here, most criticisms of the red pill are really just criticisms of the red pill community. If you isolate the knowledge & wisdom from the community and don't associate with their fisq & kufr, it's not kufr. Like I said, the knowledge itself is still true. It's simply how you use it. Taking the good and leaving the bad very much applies here.
The second point is simply how community "members", if you can call them that, seek to explain why the red pill is true. However, the knowledge itself is still true regardless of the explanation lol. That means that whether evolution is true or not, the information is still correct. Moreover, evolution isn't necessarily against Islam either. I don't even believe in evolution myself and I recognize that it can (technically) still coexist with Islam lol.
Before any of you comment and argue with me again, here is a complete refutation to the notion that the red pill is haram. I was honestly thinking of reposting it with a new title lol but Alhamdulillahi Rab al'alameen this is better. Please give it a read. I guarantee that it refutes every argument any of you are thinking of right now.
But that aside, take this as a warning of caution regarding red pill content. This is the "big brother"/fatherly mentor young men needed but may not have had, so while it fills that vital role we as men need regarding how to actually be a man, it still is a social role. You don't want to be swept away with the crowd.
All things are from Allah SWT. Praise Him and glorify Him and exalt Him and worship Him As One, Alone, without partners, free from all association. I testify that there is no god but Allah, that none is worthy of worship except Him, and I testify that Muhammad SAW is the servant, slave, worshiper, and messenger of Allah. Seek help and guidance from your Master and my Master—Allah.